{"id":187,"date":"2008-11-04T11:15:26","date_gmt":"2008-11-04T16:15:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/wordpress65\/?p=187"},"modified":"2013-02-13T05:55:53","modified_gmt":"2013-02-13T10:55:53","slug":"happy-election-day-tax-quiz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.grayrinehart.com\/blog\/happy-election-day-tax-quiz\/","title":{"rendered":"Happy Election Day &#8212; A Tax Quiz"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday I wanted to post the question, &#8220;How much tax revenue do you get from a bankrupt business?&#8221; Instead I went to bed. So I posted the question now. <\/p>\n<p>Before you answer too quickly, bear in mind that one Presidential candidate has stated to the press (ten months ago, but they didn&#8217;t report it) that his proposed cap-and-trade tax on carbon emissions would bankrupt new coal-fired power plants and (emphasis on that conjunction, AND) bring in enough additional revenue to fund alternative energy sources.  See <a href=\"http:\/\/newsbusters.org\/node\/25829?q=blogs\/p-j-gladnick\/2008\/11\/02\/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry\">this<\/a> if you don&#8217;t believe me; here&#8217;s part of the transcript:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it&#8217;s just that it will bankrupt them because they&#8217;re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that&#8217;s being emitted.<\/p>\n<p>That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.<\/p>\n<p>The only thing I&#8217;ve said with respect to coal, I haven&#8217;t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.<\/p>\n<p>So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s just that it will bankrupt them.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\nI thought you&#8217;d get zero tax revenue from a bankrupt business, but I&#8217;m not as smart as this particular candidate. I guess the one-time bankrupting &#8220;huge sum&#8221; is what will somehow generate &#8220;billions of dollars&#8221; for alternative energy. <\/p>\n<p>But what of the people unemployed when the power plants go bankrupt, or the people employed (perhaps not for long) by the factories that either can&#8217;t get power or have to pay exorbitant prices for it? Not a word. (Or not a word that was reported. It will be interesting to learn if the newspaper involved deemed the quote un-newsworthy, or if they were asked to delete it by the campaign.)<\/p>\n<p>Orson Scott Card pointed out on The Ornery American that this would amount to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ornery.org\/essays\/warwatch\/2008-11-02-1.html\">a huge tax on the poorest Americans<\/a>. That shouldn&#8217;t surprise us, since this is the same candidate who vows to impose a penalty on businesses that don&#8217;t provide health insurance, on the supposition that taking more money away from the business makes the business somehow better able to pay wages and buy health insurance.  (See <a href=\"http:\/\/www.galen.org\/component,8\/action,show_content\/id,68\/category_id,0\/blog_id,1109\/type,33\/\">this<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>Ah, the joys of election season. And tonight it will be all over. 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